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So, What about all of these Monuments & Statues?

Cover Photo: The unveiling of the soldiers and sailors monument (1894)

While Church Hill People’s News isn’t going to wade into those waters your local museum is taking a closer look! The Valentine has a new exhibit that just opened on July 4th. It will be an exploration of Richmond’s use of public monuments and their historical context.

From The Valentine:

Monumental: Richmond’s Monuments (1607-2018)

Jul 4, 2018 – Jan 2, 2019

Since Christopher Newport’s expedition planted a cross on the banks of the James River in 1607, Richmonders have marked the landscape to reflect their collective values. Monumental will look at the historical context of public monuments in Richmond, and the Valentine is excited to build on its role as a space to engage in meaningful, sometimes uncomfortable discussions about what we have chosen to commemorate and what we have chosen to forget.

You can find out more info on The Valentine’s exhibits, hours, and admission by visiting their website BY CLICKING HERE.

I for one know that this is going to be on my must-see list.

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Thanks to RWM for this tip!
The Atlantic has examined this from many viewpoints and through recorded and broadly accepted historical fact. Here is their hub for all the published stories and opinions pieces from their series on it.

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Mike
Mike
1 year ago

Looks good to me.

Aaron James Sawyer
Aaron James Sawyer
1 year ago

Just tear them all down so we can be a normal city with no problems, culture, or art. People will move right on to the next thing (i.e. _______ republican is HITLER) and not care. Taxes will increase to remove the statutes…. and the taxes will increase to fill the void of the public value that art brings.

Aaron James Sawyer
Aaron James Sawyer
1 year ago

Their existence alone has inspired thousands to learn about their meaning and develop their own ideas…. but surely removing them and snuffing out all history or complicated ideas is what the people want – to be soft and unchallenged…. as a 17 year war is fought by the real people that matter.

cg
cg
1 year ago

See also the website onmonumentave.com from the American Civil War Museum

Mike
Mike
1 year ago

Good point Aaron.

Sharon Pederson
Sharon Pederson
1 year ago

Went to see the exhibition the day it opened! Is fabulous! Also check out the front page article in today’s Times Dispatch about it. Something to appeal to EVERYONE and will get folks thinking and talking and, hopefully, actively involved. Thanks Valentine!!

jean Mcdaniel
jean Mcdaniel
1 year ago

If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. This quote is not original to me but I fully believe it. Those that feel that these monuments are a reminder to an unplesant time in our history have every right to their feelings, however, the answer is NOT to rewrite history, ignore what happened, or to put a spin on history. It may suprise people to know that I remember the home for confederate widows (it was behind the VMFA) having residents. The building is still there but of course has been repurposed. What’s my point?… Read more »

The U.....nion Hill
The U.....nion Hill
1 year ago

Why can’t the City focus their efforts on building the Lumpkin’s Jail Museum instead of tearing down monuments?

Eric S. Huffstutler
Eric S. Huffstutler
1 year ago

It is history and tearing down monuments doesn’t change it. Richmond will always be the Confederate capitol yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The idea of wanting to take them down is that it honors those who endorsed slavery and they do not want to glorify it by being “in your face” about it. But on the other hand, what is the proposed Slave Museum and Trail doing? It is a two-way street. Next, people will be wanting to tear down the Confederate White House or even Monticello that Thomas Jefferson lived and so on… since people want to sweep history under… Read more »

Will Hall
Will Hall
1 year ago

Take them down, especially the monument of Jefferson Davis. These people were trash, masquerading as heroes. The city has made leaps and bounds,well why not continue by removing these statues? I believe that the statue of Jefferson Davis will be removed before stoney first term has been completed, since it has already been recommended to be removed

Jason S
Jason S
1 year ago

Disclaimer: I have no mercy to extend to the lazy ignorance that’s being spewed here or the weak, clumsy delivery of that ignorance. With that in mind, it seems pretty clear to me that the vast majority of the comments on this thread so far lack common sense and a basic understanding of the context or the counter-arguments. Arron Sawyer, you don’t sound very logical, but if you can cobble together a coherent argument from those ramblings then I’d be happy to engage it. Eric, I usually just shake my head and leave your nonsense for the masses to disassemble.… Read more »

Dubois2
Dubois2
1 year ago

More monuments.

Mostly, I want to see Harriet Tubman, American Hero, standing on the grass, as tall as Lee is on horse and pedestal.

And sculptors would get paid to make it, and tourists would pay to come and see it.

I have no love for Jefferson Davis’s particular memory, and I respect that as history slowly piles up, we do need to let go of pieces in the public square from time to time, but when we do, can we please do it well? The Arthur Ashe statue is terrible—

Mike
Mike
1 year ago

Will Hall, you are acting as if life become so much better for blacks up North after the War. These monuments aren’t going anywhere. And your crocodile tears are only a diversion from your devastating defeat in 2016.

SA Chaplin
SA Chaplin
1 year ago

@Jason S — You seem to think these monuments are some sort of homage to slavery. Why do you think that? The American Civil War was a war of secession just as was the war we all call the Revolutionary War. The soldiers –the vast majority of whom did not own slaves– were fighting invaders. And the North was not fighting with a goal toward ending slavery. You seem to be a few pages short in your history book.

Eric S. Huffstutler
Eric S. Huffstutler
1 year ago

@14 SA Chaplin. The Civil War was about slavery. Richmond, being at the heart of it, was the Confederate Capitol. The statues were erected as an homage to key Confederate leaders of the war about slavery. And built during a time when there were veterans still alive and gathered on a regular basis in town to celebrate their service achievements and memories. Segregation was the norm… and still exists today but self-imposed. And so, these statues represent people who fought on the side of pro-slavery. But, should they be torn down? No. They don’t bother anyone nor say anything and… Read more »

Jason S
Jason S
1 year ago

Thank you for your genuine, heartfelt comment, SA Chaplin. I agree with you that the American Civil War was one of secession. And to answer your question: yes, I also believe that the monuments are an homage to the institution of slavery. Here’s why: The reason that the southern states seceded was to maintain slavery and expand it into new territories. If you’ve read any of the Ordinances of Secession for the slave-holding states, you know that Confederate leaders were unapologetically clear about this at the time. Mississippi just straight up states it as the reason in their secession document:… Read more »

Eric S. Huffstutler
Eric S. Huffstutler
1 year ago

@11 Jason S Rolling eyes at my suggestion about placing a highway marker with “context” to the narratives etched in stone? You must have forgotten that Mayor Levar Stoney, almost exactly a year ago, was all for keeping the statues and started a commission to look into ways to provide “context” and interpretation of the statues. I figured the markers would be a cheap and easy solution without damaging the original statue. @13 Mike, I doubt the monuments will go anywhere either if for nothing more than costs. It would take millions to remove and relocate them, money the city… Read more »

jean Mcdaniel
jean Mcdaniel
1 year ago

Jason, the use of the phrase, “unplesant times” is a swipe at the very common and very much understood (at least in the South) use of the term “the recent unpleasantness” to refer to the Civil War. The family farm was ravaged several times by maurauding armies.

As for having you “explain” what I am not seeing, no thanks!

Your verbege indicating total eye rolling, scoffing, lazy ignorance dismissal of opinions posted here that do not measure up to your intellectual standards do not make me want to “engage ” with you no matter how “happy” it would make you.

SA Chaplin
SA Chaplin
1 year ago

It is not possible to lay out the entire history of the American Civil War in a short post. (And I am no expert.) True, secession (at least the first wave) was about expanding slavery into the territories (among other things). But the expansion of slavery was more about maintaining political power than promoting the institution itself. The war itself was not a war aimed at ending slavery, but a war against the right of secession. Even Lincoln repeatedly said he would abide by slavery forever if it would preserve the Union. But here is the bottom line. We are… Read more »

Jason S
Jason S
1 year ago

Jean – ok, cool with me. Eric – You threw a lot out there. Whew. Reel it in, man. When you say things like the monuments “don’t bother anyone nor say anything and haven’t for nearly 100 years” I… just… don’t know what we’re talking about here. Yes, I’m familiar with Mayor’s Stoney’s position and have read the commissions report. Your argument that white people are under-represented in statues across the city is just… Nevermind. Your posts diverge too far from basic facts and contradict themselves enough. You’ve stated that you’re focus is finding a cheap and easy way to… Read more »

bill
bill
1 year ago

#17 and what world are you in? stoney kicked off the political campaign to get rid of all of the monuments by creating this fake commission to study context. the members/citizens that thought it was about context were ambushed. the race outrage card is easy to play. now for stoney it is all about “mission accomplished” and everyone has forgotten about failing/shabby schools/public housing.

Will Hall
Will Hall
1 year ago

@mike What defeat? What are you talking about? You lost me. I don’t like the statues because of what they represent. Those statues represent white supremacy, but are masqueraded as heroes. Jefferson Davis wasn’t a hero. Plain and simple. A hero to who? He said that the black race was given to the white race as a gift from God because of there ability to work the fields in the sun. You call that a hero? Take him down Mr. Stoney.

RWM
RWM
1 year ago

The Atlantic has examined this from many viewpoints and through recorded and broadly accept historical fact. Here is their hub for all the published stories and opinions pieces from their series on it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/charlottesville-confederate-monuments/537177/

Jason S
Jason S
1 year ago

Chaplin, I’m glad that we agree that Southern secession was about expanding slavery. However the claim that the civil war was about maintaining political power begs the obvious question: political power to do what? The primary sources tell us clearly that it was to enforce the fugitive slave act, force interstate slave transit and spread slavery into new jurisdictions. Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. Your position is that there is just a small band of knuckleheads out there who believe in white supremacy that are duping us… Read more »

Eric S. Huffstutler
Eric S. Huffstutler
1 year ago

@20 Jason S. What I speak is NOT just my own views but those of friends of ours, even black friends who say leave them stay. But as far as my comment of white representation, you did not answer the question. Where is it in the city? Other than the Confederate statues, what other statues or murals around town do you see that represent white leaders or historical figures or even scenes? And why is that there aren’t any? It is only a matter of fact. And if you believe that the mayor is pulling the wool over people’s eyes… Read more »

Jason S
Jason S
1 year ago

Eric, I don’t think that these are your opinions alone. The conversation of who we venerate with monuments is happening all over the country. That’s why I’m excited to see the Valentine’s exhibition and get their curators’ take on it. I’m sure I’ll learn a lot. Your other question, where might one possibly find statues/art/representation of white folks in this city other than Confederate monuments… I can only suggest that get out of the house more often. Start at the Capital building, check out the rotunda with it’s statues and busts. Swing by capital square, where you’ll find statues of… Read more »

Melinda
Melinda
1 year ago

Have no problem with having statues remembering soldiers (and sailors)– conned into fighting and dying ostensibly for their “homeland” and families by wealthy landowners and politicians. Tear down the monument to Jefferson Davis. He and his peers were culpable and morally corrupt. Perhaps he could be replaced on that pedestal by a representational statue of an African American and/or install statues of African-American males and females (and possibly children) between the surrounding pillars. (As for the monuments of generals on Monument Avenue, I don’t care… but the horses are nice. Probably move them to appropriate Civil War museums and cemeteries.)

Eric S. Huffstutler
Eric S. Huffstutler
1 year ago

@26 Jason S… I guess my statement was a bit vague about the lack of other statues (but the lack of mural art stands) and knew about the others you mentioned along with one you didn’t at Capitol Square… Washington. But for the most part these are concentrated in one spot and in a no traffic area where tourists can’t just drive to them, park, and casually take pictures. And when I talk about possible monument replacements on Monument Ave, I am talking grand scale like the 60-foot tall ones there now. Washington seems to be the only non-confederate grand… Read more »

Eric S. Huffstutler
Eric S. Huffstutler
1 year ago

To clarify, the article eludes to the fact that over the years, the city has maintained cutting the grass and cleaning graffiti off of these monuments but apparently there is still a privately owned concern that could turn convoluted and nasty if there were serious damage to them or if brought to court. But, has anyone actually stepped forward that we know about?

Jason S
Jason S
1 year ago

Eric, So your position now is that the State Capitol – Thomas Jefferson’s “Temple to Democracy” and one of the most visited and consequential spaces in our city… does not count because it isn’t high-traffic enough. Your arguments are devolving into entitled and tiresome whining. The defense of the monument avenue statues for the tourism and property values that they generate is one that I find callous and problematic. Does the ability to make money off of something serve alone as justification to do that thing? In my opinion it certainly should not. Hence, the Civil War. If I told… Read more »

Bryan Brodie
Bryan Brodie
1 year ago

All the context you will ever need: #TheSouthLost

Historical revisionists need to get over themselves.

I suggested in a letter to the TD that the confederate statues be painted black. that way you can leave them up and make a ‘statement’ at the same time.

I’d prefer not to paint them black, but I prefer painting them black to removing them completely.

Citizen
Citizen
1 year ago

There are several preservations groups on Facebook and they are not all run by Confederate romantics. Most people I know think the they are part of what makes Richmond unique.

https://www.facebook.com/MonumentAvenuePreservation/

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