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josh_conrad
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RT @chpn: Church Hill Neighbors: Betsy and Kip Hart http://t.co/PkbzyO6GDK

PTG
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PTG

The Harts rock. This is a fun video series.

Emily Nelson
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RPDLtDan
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@chpn Best “tv series” I have seen in awhile. The Harts are pillars of the community. What better way to advertise Church Hill. #Community

iamAmyKeltner
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RT @chpn: Church Hill Neighbors: Betsy and Kip Hart http://t.co/PkbzyO6GDK

Ella Bandy
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They are great neighbors!

Ella Bandy
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Mitch Bennett
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SF mike
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SF mike

Did whoever make this realize how absurd this sounds? As if the neighborhood just somehow sprouted out of nowhere, and was never a history, and isn’t predominantly black. It’s astounding how ignorant this video appears.

Sarah Hereford Waterworth
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Muna Hijazi
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Muna Hijazi

I’m trying to do what my mama taught me — bite my tongue if I’ve got nothing nice to say. But this video is pretty gross and folks not seeing why that is… that’s even more troubling. Nothing personal against the Harts, but the approach and narrative of this video is disturbing to me as a resident of Church Hill since about 2003.

laura
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laura

@4 and 6…this may get interesting but…I’m going to ask you to elaborate on your thoughts. I suppose you would be troubled that, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why you’re bothered by this video. I may be speculating but are you saying that the video is ignoring/leaving out/whatever you want to call it an entire population of the community or portraying the community differently than you see it?

evandoc baillie
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evandoc baillie

I have nothing against the couple in the video, but I would have to say that this neighborhood was built at least a few years(and by few i mean at least a century) before newcomers decided to come on over and “start from scratch” and fix the “blight”.

Muna Hijazi
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Muna Hijazi

Before things get too interesting, I’d like help figuring out how interested in this I should be. Who made this video and for what purpose? It’s says it’s Episode 1 — so are there more in the works? What will those be like? Who is the intended audience? Likewise, if I have concerns about it, to whom can I effectively direct those grievances to?

Does anyone out there know the answers to any of these questions?

heather watt
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heather watt

while i commend the harts for rooting themselves in this community we all love, i find the “from scratch” comment troubling. it reminds me of people calling white folks moving in “pioneers” just because they moved into a predominantly african american neighborhood. there is great condescension implied that discredits and disrespects an already established community.

Muna Hijazi
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Muna Hijazi

I’m actually a big fan of both the Robinson Theater and the BHC. Clearly, this video needs context. As far as assumptions, how about another oldie but goodie: Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m seeing a lot of people react very strongly and negatively about this video on Facebook. Regardless of intent and context, obviously something went wrong in the execution and delivery. If the video producers are at all interested in making a product that folks respond to more positively, then I would think that they’d be interested in hearing honest reactions to it.

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laura
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laura

I feel like those who may have an issue with the video have a limited perspective of the larger neighborhood. They may be viewing it as it exists today. Just a few short years ago, it wasn’t considered hip, trendy, or cool to live in some of the North Church Hill areas. And I respectfully disagree that these were largely African American communities. You see, in the areas where BHC has redeveloped….there was no community. A block of abandoned houses does not constitute a community. Boarded up, blighted, condemned and abandoned served nobody well. The folks who moved in to… Read more »

Jay Gilla
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Jay Gilla

I would add that intention doesn’t mean a whole lot when the effect of the video include weirdly racially coded language and naive savior complexes. I am sure the Harts are wonderful people, but it strikes me from the video that they acted upon those good intentions before even asking whether or not people wanted their actions. There’s something to be said about listening rather than presuming. There seems to be a sentiment beyond this video that being able (financially) to do a thing is the same as being sanctioned to do a thing. This video did not need to… Read more »

Trish
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Trish

@Muna–where are you seeing the negative reactions on Facebook?

What I would like to see from this series are people who have lived in Church Hill for long periods of time, to describe the changes the neighborhood has undergone.

Justin
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Justin

@Jay – Could you elaborate? What is this “racially coded language” you speak of? It seems like you’re the one “presuming” something that doesn’t exist here.

Maybe you should watch this:
http://churchhilltv.com/post/80879151537/in-the-summer-of-2010-residents-of-richmonds
And you might realize that residents are asking for these “actions”.

@Trish – It says on the page, “We interviewed a number of Church Hill residents for this project, both old and new, and will add to this series in the spring and summer of 2014.”

Monique Bridges
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I BEEN IN THIS AREA JUST ABOUT ALL MY LIFE! THESE BUILDIN OR HOUSES HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS !!! DNT NOBODY CARE ABOUT THESE HOUSES NOW !! THEY BUYS HOUSES FOR DIRT CHEAT TROWIN OLDER PPL OUT BUY RAISIN TAXES ON THIER HOUSES SO THEY CNT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEM !! ONCXE THEY LOSE THIER HOUSE HERE COME OTHER PPL COME AND SCOOP THEM WHY NT TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSES AROUND HERE NT A WHITE COUPLE THAT BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS THEY ARE NT THE HISTORY OF CHURCH HILL

Monique Bridges
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U NO ITS PPL THAT COME WALKIN THREW UR YARD TALKIN ABOUT HOW THEY WILL REBUILD UR HOUSE WITH U SITTIN ON UR FRONT LIKE UR NT EVEN THERE PPL JUST BEIN RUDE CAUSE U DNT WANT TO SELL UR HOUSE !! ND WE TRYIN TO KEEP THE HOUSE UP TO DATE !! WONDERIN HOW U GOIN TO PAY TAXES ON UR HOUSE U BEEN LIVIN IN FOREVER!1 SO YES THE TAPE IS VERY UPSETIN THAT THE HART THAT ONLY BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS !! TO MAKE A TAPE !!! ND IM A BLACK WOMAN NT A AFRICAN AMERICAN!!… Read more »

Elaine Odell
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This short film (and the others in post production,) originated as a pro-bono project for Better Housing Coallition in 2012.

At the time, the BHC staffer/historian working with me went to great pains to recruit a very diverse population of interview subjects, including senior citizens who grew up in this neighborhood and are African American.

Their stories and perspectives about the greater Church Hill area are unique, and, understandably quite different from the Hart’s.

Folks who are looking for a different story about this neighborhood will find it in the next episodes.

Bill 3
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Bill 3

I thought it was nice. Look forward to future episodes.

Muna Hijazi
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Muna Hijazi

Elaine, thanks so much for answering some of my questions. Now that you’ve clarified that it’s a project featuring BHC and the awesome work they do, I can much better understand what your intention was here. I’m looking forward to seeing the next episodes. Are those just going to be posted here? Is there any other plan for sharing this series?

By the way, I think we may have met before via the Tricycle Garden plot on your corner? It’ll be great to see you again now that Spring has sprung.

Julia H
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Julia H

Muna, you threw stones before you asked questions. I hope you learned a lesson before you post again.

Monique…writing in all caps implies that you are yelling! Why are you yelling? I have a feeling you know how to read and write very well, why in the world would you want other people to assume you are uneducated?

Muna Hijazi
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Muna Hijazi

Julia, actually I just gave my honest reaction to the video, which I still find disturbing despite its intentions. The fact that people’s responses to my concerns and others’ voiced here have been limited to questioning our credibility, intelligence and experience, as well as defending people and organizations that we were never attacking, seems to unfortunately show that ya’ll aren’t the least bit interested in learning any lesson there is to be learned here. A dialogue that actually responds to the concerns raised would be nice. We’re all neighbors and I have hopes that this site can serve as a… Read more »

Alex
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Alex

@23 – what exactly is the lesson you are proposing we learn here?

Claire
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Claire

It bothers me that no one that’s on the defense has bothered to respond to Monique who offered a really valid perspective and seems justly pissed. I also take huge issue with the “started from scratch” statement. I find it extremely short sighted. No one has seemed to mention the economic ebb and flow Churchill has had and the deep history with that. It’s not as though those houses were just empty “blighted” houses from conception. Blight is also based in a privileged perspective. Not going back far enough in history is also short sighted. I think the ask here… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

I found the “starting from scratch” statement at the beginning of the video to be incredibly offensive to Church Hill’s history and community. Also, the above comment that says there was no community in this area because there were blocks of vacant blocks and boarded up houses speaks to the inherent ignorance people have in regards to gentrification. It’s not a process that happens over night, but takes many years to enact. I found all of the love for the civic association that talked about “cleaning up the trash” and “keeping the crime out” to have serious racial overtones. I… Read more »

Claire
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Claire

Also Monique deserves some serious attention as a Churchill resident for years who is non white. She is bringing up extremely valid points with righteous anger and seems to be being I home which really bothers me. I hope somebody has personally called her.

Claire
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Claire

Oh Nevermind. Someone did respond Monique and it was rude. Julia shame on you for trying to shame others about their writing style and suggesting that they might be uneducated. Completely shameful. People write in all caps when they are MAD and she’s given her reasoning in the post and it’s completely reasonably hence the public back lash to this video.

clay st resident
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clay st resident

Good response Muna! I don’t see a “right” or “wrong” here but instead a lack of communication. It is clear to me (now) that these videos are meant to show the diversity and awesomeness of our neighborhood but the video itself doesn’t provide that background. You only get it by reading this thread. I hope the producers take note of that because it is extremely important lesson. The background needs to be addressed in the videos too or people will continue to raise concerns. I too felt uncomfortable when the Hart’s mention in the video that the neighborhood sprouted up.… Read more »

Duron Chavis
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and the comment of the year goes to Monique!!

BAF
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BAF

@Claire. “Blight is also based in a privileged perspective.” Wow. I never I knew I look at the world privileged because I refer to the boarded up, decrepit, graffiti tagged house that is a magnet for vandalism and litter as blighted. I don’t think you need to be privileged to see something like that and think that maybe its a problem that hurts a neighborhood because it encourages people to make less effort with their own properties.

A
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A

I hope the next 40+ episodes are about the residents of church hill who have lived here longer than all the new white, (upper) middle class people. Hopefully this isn’t just gonna be a string of videos that are trying to say “hey look! church hill is safe now because its mostly white folks with money! move here quick!”

I want to also say I agree with Muna, Monique and all of the other people commenting with real criticisms and a lot of questions concerning the directors and the intentions of these videos.

Started From The Bottom Now We're Hip
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Started From The Bottom Now We're Hip

Ugh. I was avoiding watching that on purpose. I moved to Church Hill from Fulton Hill in ’96. We moved from Church Hill to Montrose Heights ~2000. That “from scratch” bit hit me like a ton of bricks. It’s great you can enjoy artisinal New Zealand pies and expensive breads, but what about the many small minority owned businesses that are now gone? And are Kip and Betsy going to send lil Kip Jr. to Chimborazo, Bellevue, St. Patrick’s (they can’t b/c it’s now been turned into lofts, imagine that!), or Armstrong High keeping tax dollars going into the shameful… Read more »

melissa
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melissa

I think it is great that this is being discussed. I work at a popular Church Hill establishment. While many people are excited and always discussing the “revitalization of Church Hill”, I think it is terribly important to discuss what a “revitalization” means for all residents…but especially those who have lived there for a long time. History and trendy can’t always be friends. Keep this discussion going, and don’t hate on the people who used this video as motivation to point out the elephant in the room. CHPN should be discussing whether or not race is a factor in some… Read more »

Ramzi
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Ramzi

It should have been clarified in the video but the Better Housing Coalition houses were built from scratch.

BAF
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BAF

Having watched the, video I get where both sides are coming from. The couple comes across in the video with a sanctimonious “look how great we are because we are urban pioneers that have come to save you” douchey tone. BHC does great stuff, but this was bad choice to kick off their series. The reality is that gentrification is only going to continue. The demand for historic housing is rising and, by virtue of being historic, there is a limited inventory that is still available at a reasonable price. Combine that with the fact that people are returning to… Read more »

Steve
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Steve

@BAF — good post. As for the Hart’s, please everyone, give them a break. So they chose some words that you wouldn’t use. Have you ever been put in front of a camera and later found yourself wishing you could have been more articulate or phrased something a little differently. They did this video because they wanted to do something good for a neighborhood that they love. Right now, they are most likley wondering why they did it at all. I’m sure they didn’t anticipate this sh*t-storm. As the saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished. Unfortunately for the Harts,… Read more »

Magneto
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Magneto

@37 – Good point! Calm down people! The Harts are honest, good people who are very involved in supporting the Church Hill community. We’re very fortunate to have them in our neighborhood. If there are issues you’re passionate about in this neighborhood, then I certainly hope you’re getting involved; otherwise, please don’t scare off folks like the Harts (who are very involved) with your armchair quarterback comments.

Elaine Odell
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Hey folks, blame me for anything you don’t like about that short film.